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mzslave rašė:

pas mus saleje vienas treneris, varzybinis  kursavo taip priziurimas kito varzybinio trenerio :  susta +  test enantat leido, isveze i ligonine is sales, nes apie adexa nera abu girdeje..... nzn kiek jis ten galejo turet E2, kad tiek spaudimas uzkylo kad nualpo ))


na o  deca-tren stiprus derinys svo hormalke patikrint ))

cia tipo nuo sustos ir testo taip? ar ten dar buvo ir deserto tame?

Kridas rašė:

Man dabar vps toki varianta pasiule daryt, tipo mixuot, kaina tikrai gera susidaro bet ka manot?
1-3sav propas, npp 100mg eod(vietoj oral kickstarto)
1-10 deca, test e decos 500/test e 750
1-16 bolda 500mg/wk
10-16 tren a
10-16 propas
Kurso metu hcg
Po ranka caberis ir arimidex, kurso metu priziurimas prl/estrogenas ir tada caberis ir arimidexas eitu i trasa.
(Cia ne as sugalvojau, gavau toki kurso pasiulyma is dylerio) bet nujauciu libido visiska mirtis, n2guard apsaugai irgi manau reiks
Kalorijas laikau 4'5 -5 k

Tu viska sukisti nori i viena, visu pirma kokiu tikslu imi tren a ir propa pabaigoje? Is cia ka parasei galima 2 kursus pasidaryti normalius, bet tu pats nzn ko nori. As taip pasidaryciau:
Test e/ test c 1-14-16sav 500-600mg
Bolda 1-14-16sav 800mg
Jei nori kick starto, imi metanke, turika arba oxy, bet nu nekyla tau siulyti ji
Uzsiaugini su situo kursu ir arba tiltuoji 1-2men, jei tau YOLO tas atsistatymas arba daraisi PCT, poilsis ir darai kursa kita su kuriuo reljefo daugiau igausi:
Test p 1-6sav
Tren A 1-6sav
Viskas paprasta ir nereikia kazkokio dviracio isradineti. VIska tinkamai tik susitatyti reiktu, kada HCG ir po kiek eis, kokie PCT kokiom dozem, E2 ir PRL kontrole, nors prie boldos tikriausiai nereiks E2 kontroles net.

upthedose rašė:

DayZ rašė:

O pamąstymui jeigu ne jungti kitų preparatų tik laikyt test e koki sakykime 20sav tada tiltas ir vėl keliam testo dozę ir vėl tiltas ir t.t.  E2 kontrolė pregnyli kas pora mėnesiu ir kaip?   Receptoriai atbuktu?  Reikia su laiku kosminių dozių?  3-5g?? Kokios perspektyvos? 

Yra labai gerai straipsnis tavo klausimu. Mane pati labai sudomino sitas dalykas, manau bandysiu greitu metu. Esme yra tame, kad nereikia naudot arklisku doziu nuo pat pirmu dienu. Geriau yra is leto stabiliai kelti dozes ir taip organizmui sukelti soka. Kas suprantat angliskai pasiskaitykit, labai idomiai raso. Gal veliau paversciau, jei turesiu laisvo laiko, tiem, kas su anglu nedraugauja..

Basically, all bodybuilders are in a battle against homeostasis. We try to overcome the body's tendency to not gain mass by eating more food, training more frequently or harder, taking more supplements, and so on. The idea being that more of [whatever] sends a stronger message for protein synthesis. Let's call all these compounds and techniques 'growth factors'.

Well eventually, as we all know, these growth factors stop working. We ramp up the training intensity, take more creatine and so on, but growth plateaus regardless. You may be on a bulk cramming down the burgers, but the body finds a way to overcome this and prevent the growth message getting through - probably by elevating myostatin levels, among other mechanisms.

At this point bodyfat may go up quickly, but LBM gain is closing in on zero net growth. So we have to take a break, usually shrink back a bit, and let the body get used to the absence of all these growth factors - creating a new 'normal' or set-point.

In the process myostatin and all the other inhibitory mechanisms drop back too - with a slight lag, hence the loss of mass. At this point, hopefully we're holding more mass than when we started the last bulking cycle, and now we're ready to go and repeat it all over again, in the hope of retaining even more at the end of it; rinse repeat; rinse repeat.

Steroids fit into this homeostatic cycle in exactly the same way as the other growth factors, albeit to a much higher degree. The growth benefit they confer is not an absolute factor. Just like with increasing training intensity or food intake, it's the relative change compared to what you were doing before that accounts for their benefit.

To make this obvious, let's use an example:


Person A has been on a cycle of 1000mg test for a while and his growth has plateaued. So he increases the dose by 500mg for the next 10 weeks (it could just as easily be a different compound he's adding instead, btw). And suddenly, he experiences some new growth. Just what we want and what we would expect.

Person B has also been training for years and his growth is at a plateau. So he's just starting a cycle, which is 500mg test total for 10 weeks.

In other words, they are both doing exactly the same thing in adding 500mg testosterone to their bodies after hitting a plateau.

But all other things being equal, who is going to gain more from that 500mg over the next 10 weeks?


No prizes for guessing Person B.


Person B is experiencing a dramatic change in his testosterone levels of several multiples of what he produces naturally. Meanwhile Person A was only increasing his testosterone level by 50%. For Person A to even have a chance at a similar result, he'd probably need to take something like 3-4000mg, which would be a relatively similar increase.

Now if you take this pattern, and programme it into just a regular cycle, you can see that ultimately the most effective strategy for overcoming homeostasis on AAS is to continuously create as much relative change as you can. To be constantly tapering-up the dose from the lowest effective level.

Now I ask anyone, if you intend to frontload your cycle with 1000mg of testosterone for a few weeks (or an oral steroid or whatever), how the utiutiu do you plan on creating much relative change after? You're starting out so high, the only way up is through the stratosphere. And since it's only a frontload, your serum levels may actually start to decline after peaking in the first month!

So fine, you'll bloat up quickly at first and it will look like an amazing idea because the changes come on fast and you'll leave Mr Tortoise behind. But good luck if you thought those bloated 10lbs were solid real muscle. And good luck maintaining that pace for a solid 12 weeks of continuous real growth while your testosterone levels flatten out or even decline. The body's homeostatic mechanisms kick in so quickly that you're fighting a losing battle from that point onwards.

Meanwhile Mr Tortoise, who started out low and slow but keeps upping the dose, soon overtakes you despite still being on less AAS, all the while staying harder and drier and never once resembling the bloated watery Pufferfish you became thanks to your frontload.

Which is why I say frontloading is one of the most retarded practices there is. By boosting AAS levels up to a peak within the first weeks, you are literally killing off your future growth potential. You're wasting your most effective tool for growth (relative change) by throwing it all in at the start. And you're deluding yourself that the rapid changes you saw were real keepable gains post-cycle.

The clever approach to cycling - and indeed bodybuilding in general, given our battle with homeostasis - is to always be 'confusing' the body (and overcoming myostatin) by upping whatever variable you're playing with (be it food intake, training intensity, supplements or AAS) from a low starting point.

Thus I advise guys to do the complete opposite of frontloading. Start your cycle on a dose that's barely over natural levels, so you can then spend the next 12-15+ weeks gradually raising the dose, achieving the solid relative change we all want, while still staying at a sensible level and without experiencing all the negative side-effects that high doses entail.

This should be commonsense, even on the most anecdotal level and to the most novice trainee - after all, we all know our bodies plateau sometime after we make a change. So to be constantly changing (periodising) and tapering up various compounds and strategies from their lowest effective level is self-evidently the most efficient way to build muscle.

Tokio kurso pvz butu mazdaug toks:
1-4sav: 300mg-350mg test-e/test-p, 300-350mg deca/npp
5-8sav: test 500mg, deca/npp tas pats
9-12sav test 700mg, deca 500mg
Su ilgesniais esteriais aisku tuos intervalus gal ilgesnius daryt. Visai idomiai skamba, reiks pabandyt. Ka veteranai galvoja?

bender rašė:

nors prie boldos tikriausiai nereiks E2 kontroles net.

Kaip sako better safe than sorry. Vistiek geriau darytis tyrimus ir turet AI po ranka, nes jei pasakysi, kad nereiks kontroles, tai zmogus, net nesidomes, nes kazkas forume pasake, jog nereikia

Kridas rašė:

Man dabar vps toki varianta pasiule daryt, tipo mixuot, kaina tikrai gera susidaro bet ka manot?
1-3sav propas, npp 100mg eod(vietoj oral kickstarto)
1-10 deca, test e decos 500/test e 750
1-16 bolda 500mg/wk
10-16 tren a
10-16 propas

Kridai, paklausyk zmoniu patarimu ir nekisk i viena kursa decos su tren-a. Du 19nor'ai - deca dar pilnumoj suksis, o tu jau trena kalsi. Nesukontroliuosi caberio, po to kursi tema 'ka daryt papai uzaugo'. O nuo prolaktino gyno isnaikint sunkiau nei nuo estrogenu, tai po to ir po peiliu gausi gultis. Neisradinek dviracio, daryk normalu kursa masei, PCT ir pries vasara normalu cut'a. Kam viska taip apsunkint?

Kas cia per pieva ?

O tolkas po 4 savaiciu nutraukt kursa ir po to vel saut ir po to vel 8 savaite nutraukt ir vel pradet ? Suprantu kilstelima mg, bet tokiu nutraukimu ir vel saudyt. Ir taip hormonke stresuoja, o cia dvigubai sokines viskas ar klystu ?

upthedose rašė:

DayZ rašė:

O pamąstymui jeigu ne jungti kitų preparatų tik laikyt test e koki sakykime 20sav tada tiltas ir vėl keliam testo dozę ir vėl tiltas ir t.t.  E2 kontrolė pregnyli kas pora mėnesiu ir kaip?   Receptoriai atbuktu?  Reikia su laiku kosminių dozių?  3-5g?? Kokios perspektyvos? 

Yra labai gerai straipsnis tavo klausimu. Mane pati labai sudomino sitas dalykas, manau bandysiu greitu metu. Esme yra tame, kad nereikia naudot arklisku doziu nuo pat pirmu dienu. Geriau yra is leto stabiliai kelti dozes ir taip organizmui sukelti soka. Kas suprantat angliskai pasiskaitykit, labai idomiai raso. Gal veliau paversciau, jei turesiu laisvo laiko, tiem, kas su anglu nedraugauja..

Basically, all bodybuilders are in a battle against homeostasis. We try to overcome the body's tendency to not gain mass by eating more food, training more frequently or harder, taking more supplements, and so on. The idea being that more of [whatever] sends a stronger message for protein synthesis. Let's call all these compounds and techniques 'growth factors'.

Well eventually, as we all know, these growth factors stop working. We ramp up the training intensity, take more creatine and so on, but growth plateaus regardless. You may be on a bulk cramming down the burgers, but the body finds a way to overcome this and prevent the growth message getting through - probably by elevating myostatin levels, among other mechanisms.

At this point bodyfat may go up quickly, but LBM gain is closing in on zero net growth. So we have to take a break, usually shrink back a bit, and let the body get used to the absence of all these growth factors - creating a new 'normal' or set-point.

In the process myostatin and all the other inhibitory mechanisms drop back too - with a slight lag, hence the loss of mass. At this point, hopefully we're holding more mass than when we started the last bulking cycle, and now we're ready to go and repeat it all over again, in the hope of retaining even more at the end of it; rinse repeat; rinse repeat.

Steroids fit into this homeostatic cycle in exactly the same way as the other growth factors, albeit to a much higher degree. The growth benefit they confer is not an absolute factor. Just like with increasing training intensity or food intake, it's the relative change compared to what you were doing before that accounts for their benefit.

To make this obvious, let's use an example:


Person A has been on a cycle of 1000mg test for a while and his growth has plateaued. So he increases the dose by 500mg for the next 10 weeks (it could just as easily be a different compound he's adding instead, btw). And suddenly, he experiences some new growth. Just what we want and what we would expect.

Person B has also been training for years and his growth is at a plateau. So he's just starting a cycle, which is 500mg test total for 10 weeks.

In other words, they are both doing exactly the same thing in adding 500mg testosterone to their bodies after hitting a plateau.

But all other things being equal, who is going to gain more from that 500mg over the next 10 weeks?


No prizes for guessing Person B.


Person B is experiencing a dramatic change in his testosterone levels of several multiples of what he produces naturally. Meanwhile Person A was only increasing his testosterone level by 50%. For Person A to even have a chance at a similar result, he'd probably need to take something like 3-4000mg, which would be a relatively similar increase.

Now if you take this pattern, and programme it into just a regular cycle, you can see that ultimately the most effective strategy for overcoming homeostasis on AAS is to continuously create as much relative change as you can. To be constantly tapering-up the dose from the lowest effective level.

Now I ask anyone, if you intend to frontload your cycle with 1000mg of testosterone for a few weeks (or an oral steroid or whatever), how the utiutiu do you plan on creating much relative change after? You're starting out so high, the only way up is through the stratosphere. And since it's only a frontload, your serum levels may actually start to decline after peaking in the first month!

So fine, you'll bloat up quickly at first and it will look like an amazing idea because the changes come on fast and you'll leave Mr Tortoise behind. But good luck if you thought those bloated 10lbs were solid real muscle. And good luck maintaining that pace for a solid 12 weeks of continuous real growth while your testosterone levels flatten out or even decline. The body's homeostatic mechanisms kick in so quickly that you're fighting a losing battle from that point onwards.

Meanwhile Mr Tortoise, who started out low and slow but keeps upping the dose, soon overtakes you despite still being on less AAS, all the while staying harder and drier and never once resembling the bloated watery Pufferfish you became thanks to your frontload.

Which is why I say frontloading is one of the most retarded practices there is. By boosting AAS levels up to a peak within the first weeks, you are literally killing off your future growth potential. You're wasting your most effective tool for growth (relative change) by throwing it all in at the start. And you're deluding yourself that the rapid changes you saw were real keepable gains post-cycle.

The clever approach to cycling - and indeed bodybuilding in general, given our battle with homeostasis - is to always be 'confusing' the body (and overcoming myostatin) by upping whatever variable you're playing with (be it food intake, training intensity, supplements or AAS) from a low starting point.

Thus I advise guys to do the complete opposite of frontloading. Start your cycle on a dose that's barely over natural levels, so you can then spend the next 12-15+ weeks gradually raising the dose, achieving the solid relative change we all want, while still staying at a sensible level and without experiencing all the negative side-effects that high doses entail.

This should be commonsense, even on the most anecdotal level and to the most novice trainee - after all, we all know our bodies plateau sometime after we make a change. So to be constantly changing (periodising) and tapering up various compounds and strategies from their lowest effective level is self-evidently the most efficient way to build muscle.

Tokio kurso pvz butu mazdaug toks:
1-4sav: 300mg-350mg test-e/test-p, 300-350mg deca/npp
5-8sav: test 500mg, deca/npp tas pats
9-12sav test 700mg, deca 500mg
Su ilgesniais esteriais aisku tuos intervalus gal ilgesnius daryt. Visai idomiai skamba, reiks pabandyt. Ka veteranai galvoja?

bender rašė:

nors prie boldos tikriausiai nereiks E2 kontroles net.

Kaip sako better safe than sorry. Vistiek geriau darytis tyrimus ir turet AI po ranka, nes jei pasakysi, kad nereiks kontroles, tai zmogus, net nesidomes, nes kazkas forume pasake, jog nereikia

Kridas rašė:

Man dabar vps toki varianta pasiule daryt, tipo mixuot, kaina tikrai gera susidaro bet ka manot?
1-3sav propas, npp 100mg eod(vietoj oral kickstarto)
1-10 deca, test e decos 500/test e 750
1-16 bolda 500mg/wk
10-16 tren a
10-16 propas

Kridai, paklausyk zmoniu patarimu ir nekisk i viena kursa decos su tren-a. Du 19nor'ai - deca dar pilnumoj suksis, o tu jau trena kalsi. Nesukontroliuosi caberio, po to kursi tema 'ka daryt papai uzaugo'. O nuo prolaktino gyno isnaikint sunkiau nei nuo estrogenu, tai po to ir po peiliu gausi gultis. Neisradinek dviracio, daryk normalu kursa masei, PCT ir pries vasara normalu cut'a. Kam viska taip apsunkint?

Geras ten straipsniukas. Grynai tavo nicka atitinka sekantis kursas taip ir bus mano, protingai viskas ten atrodo. Nes pastebejau kaip po 6sav is 12 nustojau augt.. na beveik

upthedose rašė:

DayZ rašė:

O pamąstymui jeigu ne jungti kitų preparatų tik laikyt test e koki sakykime 20sav tada tiltas ir vėl keliam testo dozę ir vėl tiltas ir t.t.  E2 kontrolė pregnyli kas pora mėnesiu ir kaip?   Receptoriai atbuktu?  Reikia su laiku kosminių dozių?  3-5g?? Kokios perspektyvos? 

Yra labai gerai straipsnis tavo klausimu. Mane pati labai sudomino sitas dalykas, manau bandysiu greitu metu. Esme yra tame, kad nereikia naudot arklisku doziu nuo pat pirmu dienu. Geriau yra is leto stabiliai kelti dozes ir taip organizmui sukelti soka. Kas suprantat angliskai pasiskaitykit, labai idomiai raso. Gal veliau paversciau, jei turesiu laisvo laiko, tiem, kas su anglu nedraugauja..

Basically, all bodybuilders are in a battle against homeostasis. We try to overcome the body's tendency to not gain mass by eating more food, training more frequently or harder, taking more supplements, and so on. The idea being that more of [whatever] sends a stronger message for protein synthesis. Let's call all these compounds and techniques 'growth factors'.

Well eventually, as we all know, these growth factors stop working. We ramp up the training intensity, take more creatine and so on, but growth plateaus regardless. You may be on a bulk cramming down the burgers, but the body finds a way to overcome this and prevent the growth message getting through - probably by elevating myostatin levels, among other mechanisms.

At this point bodyfat may go up quickly, but LBM gain is closing in on zero net growth. So we have to take a break, usually shrink back a bit, and let the body get used to the absence of all these growth factors - creating a new 'normal' or set-point.

In the process myostatin and all the other inhibitory mechanisms drop back too - with a slight lag, hence the loss of mass. At this point, hopefully we're holding more mass than when we started the last bulking cycle, and now we're ready to go and repeat it all over again, in the hope of retaining even more at the end of it; rinse repeat; rinse repeat.

Steroids fit into this homeostatic cycle in exactly the same way as the other growth factors, albeit to a much higher degree. The growth benefit they confer is not an absolute factor. Just like with increasing training intensity or food intake, it's the relative change compared to what you were doing before that accounts for their benefit.

To make this obvious, let's use an example:


Person A has been on a cycle of 1000mg test for a while and his growth has plateaued. So he increases the dose by 500mg for the next 10 weeks (it could just as easily be a different compound he's adding instead, btw). And suddenly, he experiences some new growth. Just what we want and what we would expect.

Person B has also been training for years and his growth is at a plateau. So he's just starting a cycle, which is 500mg test total for 10 weeks.

In other words, they are both doing exactly the same thing in adding 500mg testosterone to their bodies after hitting a plateau.

But all other things being equal, who is going to gain more from that 500mg over the next 10 weeks?


No prizes for guessing Person B.


Person B is experiencing a dramatic change in his testosterone levels of several multiples of what he produces naturally. Meanwhile Person A was only increasing his testosterone level by 50%. For Person A to even have a chance at a similar result, he'd probably need to take something like 3-4000mg, which would be a relatively similar increase.

Now if you take this pattern, and programme it into just a regular cycle, you can see that ultimately the most effective strategy for overcoming homeostasis on AAS is to continuously create as much relative change as you can. To be constantly tapering-up the dose from the lowest effective level.

Now I ask anyone, if you intend to frontload your cycle with 1000mg of testosterone for a few weeks (or an oral steroid or whatever), how the utiutiu do you plan on creating much relative change after? You're starting out so high, the only way up is through the stratosphere. And since it's only a frontload, your serum levels may actually start to decline after peaking in the first month!

So fine, you'll bloat up quickly at first and it will look like an amazing idea because the changes come on fast and you'll leave Mr Tortoise behind. But good luck if you thought those bloated 10lbs were solid real muscle. And good luck maintaining that pace for a solid 12 weeks of continuous real growth while your testosterone levels flatten out or even decline. The body's homeostatic mechanisms kick in so quickly that you're fighting a losing battle from that point onwards.

Meanwhile Mr Tortoise, who started out low and slow but keeps upping the dose, soon overtakes you despite still being on less AAS, all the while staying harder and drier and never once resembling the bloated watery Pufferfish you became thanks to your frontload.

Which is why I say frontloading is one of the most retarded practices there is. By boosting AAS levels up to a peak within the first weeks, you are literally killing off your future growth potential. You're wasting your most effective tool for growth (relative change) by throwing it all in at the start. And you're deluding yourself that the rapid changes you saw were real keepable gains post-cycle.

The clever approach to cycling - and indeed bodybuilding in general, given our battle with homeostasis - is to always be 'confusing' the body (and overcoming myostatin) by upping whatever variable you're playing with (be it food intake, training intensity, supplements or AAS) from a low starting point.

Thus I advise guys to do the complete opposite of frontloading. Start your cycle on a dose that's barely over natural levels, so you can then spend the next 12-15+ weeks gradually raising the dose, achieving the solid relative change we all want, while still staying at a sensible level and without experiencing all the negative side-effects that high doses entail.

This should be commonsense, even on the most anecdotal level and to the most novice trainee - after all, we all know our bodies plateau sometime after we make a change. So to be constantly changing (periodising) and tapering up various compounds and strategies from their lowest effective level is self-evidently the most efficient way to build muscle.

Tokio kurso pvz butu mazdaug toks:
1-4sav: 300mg-350mg test-e/test-p, 300-350mg deca/npp
5-8sav: test 500mg, deca/npp tas pats
9-12sav test 700mg, deca 500mg
Su ilgesniais esteriais aisku tuos intervalus gal ilgesnius daryt. Visai idomiai skamba, reiks pabandyt. Ka veteranai galvoja?

bender rašė:

nors prie boldos tikriausiai nereiks E2 kontroles net.

Kaip sako better safe than sorry. Vistiek geriau darytis tyrimus ir turet AI po ranka, nes jei pasakysi, kad nereiks kontroles, tai zmogus, net nesidomes, nes kazkas forume pasake, jog nereikia

Kridas rašė:

Man dabar vps toki varianta pasiule daryt, tipo mixuot, kaina tikrai gera susidaro bet ka manot?
1-3sav propas, npp 100mg eod(vietoj oral kickstarto)
1-10 deca, test e decos 500/test e 750
1-16 bolda 500mg/wk
10-16 tren a
10-16 propas

Kridai, paklausyk zmoniu patarimu ir nekisk i viena kursa decos su tren-a. Du 19nor'ai - deca dar pilnumoj suksis, o tu jau trena kalsi. Nesukontroliuosi caberio, po to kursi tema 'ka daryt papai uzaugo'. O nuo prolaktino gyno isnaikint sunkiau nei nuo estrogenu, tai po to ir po peiliu gausi gultis. Neisradinek dviracio, daryk normalu kursa masei, PCT ir pries vasara normalu cut'a. Kam viska taip apsunkint?

Va butent del 19-nor ir klausiau, nes abu i ta pati receptoriu kabinasi, manau skelsiu tiesiog i 2 kursus ir neskubesiu, imsiu 16sav bolda deca ir test e kursa, o veliau kaip pilnai atsistatysiu pries vasara trena su propu ir masteriu palaikysiu . Dekui uz patarimus, o hcg geriau laikyt visa kursa po 250-500mg 2 kart per savaite ar jau gale kurso pradet saudyt?

baltassg rašė:

Kridas rašė:

DayZ rašė:

Ne įdėmiau isiskaityk arba sorry ne taip aiškiai parašiau,  turėjau omeny ne tai ką pagalvojei dabar   tiesiog dėl jautrumo klausiu ar ir toliau kokia 500-1000mg turėtų poveikį po ilgo periodo ar tik aukštos dozes duotu progresą

Sito klausimo manau musu enciklopedijos klaust reiktu tas zmogus matos daug zino, deja as nei karto tiltu nedariau, man kursai vaikiski buvo tai negaliu komentuot sia tema, nes su tiltais neturiu pstirties, o is kavos tirsciu burt nemegstu, vienintele problrma kuria turejau tai tsg, kad nustoja prepas kabint, atbukina receptorius (ypac tren a) ir toliau jei nori kazka jaust privalai kelt doze. Realiai as kaip kursavau tai pasiimu tarkim trumpa kursiuka 8 sav per tas 8 sav uzsimetu padoraus raumens, baigiasi kursas atsistatau, pora menesiuku praeina ir kaip naujas jauciuos vel bet kursuosiu dabar po ilgesnes pertraukos del to cia siandien ir nerimstu forumuose ir jums nervus gadinu .

nuo kada vaikiski kursai prasideda su trenu? idomiai cia pas tave.

Ne ta prasme snekejau, visi zinom kar trenas stipriausias injekcinis prepas bet kalbu apie vaikiskus kursus ne stiprumo, o kurso trukmes puse, nes visi mano kursai greito esterio buvo

<3 fitness rašė:

Geras ten straipsniukas. Grynai tavo nicka atitinka sekantis kursas taip ir bus mano, protingai viskas ten atrodo. Nes pastebejau kaip po 6sav is 12 nustojau augt.. na beveik

Tas pats ir man. Stagnacija ties kurso viduriu ir nebesuprantu kame reikalas. Cia tik svarbu tyrimus reguliariai darytis ir hormonus suvaldyti

Aukselis rašė:

Tai nuo 4 iki 5 savaites ir nuo 8 iki 9 kas skaitoma ?

Nuo pirmos savaites pradzioj iki 4 savaites galo, po to nuo penktos savaites (eina po 4 savaites galo) iki 8 savaites pabaigos ir tada nuo 9 savaites pradzios iki 12 savaites galo. Nesikabinek 1-4sav imtinai, 5-8sav imtinai ir 9-12sav imtinai. Berots taip reiksdavo kad nuo pradzios iki pabaigos.

Jei rasyciau
1-5sav: 300mg-350mg test-e/test-p, 300-350mg deca/npp
5-8sav: test 500mg, deca/npp tas pats
Dar kas ne taip supras ir ta pacia penkta savaite isaus pirmo intervalo doze ir antro intervalo doze.

Kridas rašė:

Va butent del 19-nor ir klausiau, nes abu i ta pati receptoriu kabinasi, manau skelsiu tiesiog i 2 kursus ir neskubesiu, imsiu 16sav bolda deca ir test e kursa, o veliau kaip pilnai atsistatysiu pries vasara trena su propu ir masteriu palaikysiu . Dekui uz patarimus, o hcg geriau laikyt visa kursa po 250-500mg 2 kart per savaite ar jau gale kurso pradet saudyt?

Bolda su deca bent as kartu nejungciau. Deca ir viena yra stipri, nemanau, kad labai pasijus tau ta bolda, na nebent del alkio

O HCG, is patirties, geriausia visa kursa laikyti iki pat PCT po 500IU/sav isdalinta i du suvius per savaite (pvz pirmadieni 250IU ir ketvirtadieni 250IU).
Teko daryti abudu variantus - HCG baigus kursa pries pat PCT ir HCG viso kurso metu iki pat PCT. Antru atveju atsistaciau lengviau ir greiciau, nors kursas buvo sunkesnis.

Dianabolas pigiausias, geras ir laiko patikrintas kickstartas. Su deca ir testu gryna mases klasika.
Turikas kaip ir dianabolas, tik be vandens, bet jau gerokai brangesnis (panasi kaina kaip anavaro).
Anadrol stipriausias tabletinis prepas masei. Daug stipresnis uz dianabola, bet ir su juo daug daugiau salutiniu, labai toksiskas.

Asmeniskai imciau dianabola.
Kepenim N2Guard arba Liv52 anglai kisa pastoviai, gal kiti dar kazko rekomenduos.

EDIT: nors nezinau del kepenu, pats asmeniskai nieko negeriu - dar nenumeriau, ivairiu nuomoniu pilna visur.

Paskutinį kartą taisė upthedose (2016-10-22 14:30)

baltassg rašė:

Kridas rašė:

baltassg rašė:

kad isskirtu insulino, tai jei necytini vadinas insulinas pas tave neegzistuoja? pats jauti ka kalbi?

Kaip tai neegzistuoja ? Kodel dabar sneki tai apie ka as neuzaiminiau, tiesiog skaiciau apie cheatmeal nauda ir, kad visada svariai valgant padarius cheatmeal kasa suaktyveja ir isskiria daugiau insulino, apie tai as snekejau.

Karta i savaitele reiktu cheatmealint, kad kasa isskirtu insulino wink, tai nera taip jau blogai  tai cia kaip skamba? kad issiskirtu insulinas, tai pagal sita vieta pagal tave be cheet insulinas neissiskiria. siaip tas cheetas tam kad organizmui soka duoti , kaip ir per trenke keitalioji pratimus taip ir mityboj, kad organizmas nepriprastu pastoviu rezimu vaziuoi.

Na okey, kaltas, kad ne aiskiai parasiau butent, kad shock'a organizmui duodi ir kasa suaktyveja, o taip isskitiama daugiau insulino, na tikrai nuo keliu cheatmelu menesy nesiruosiant varzyboms blogiau nebus , valgyt visada vienodai tas pats kas salej visada su vienodais svoriais ir programa varyt.

Paskutinį kartą taisė Kridas (2016-10-22 14:24)

Gal kas zinot kur n2guard lietuvoj nusipirkt galeciau?

bender rašė:

upthedose rašė:

Dianabolas pigiausias, geras ir laiko patikrintas kickstartas. Su deca ir testu gryna mases klasika.
Turikas kaip ir dianabolas, tik be vandens, bet jau gerokai brangesnis (panasi kaina kaip anavaro).
Anadrol stipriausias tabletinis prepas masei. Daug stipresnis uz dianabola, bet ir su juo daug daugiau salutiniu, labai toksiskas.

Asmeniskai imciau dianabola.
Kepenim N2Guard arba Liv52. Gal kiti dar kazko rekomenduos.

Jau buvo kalbeta kaip kepenis saugoti kai kurse eina oral. Ka galima vartoti ir ko negalima. Ir tai tikrai turetu buti ne Liv52.

As pats nieko negeriu, anglai labai N2Guard megsta visur kist. Nezinau tiesa pasakius sitoj vietoj kas gerai, kas negerai.

<3 fitness rašė:

Tai mz tulzi varantys sakei tinka?

Kai oral eina, taip tik tulzi varantis. Hepaprotektorius eina po kurso ir pct.