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o tau 15 metu gal?

ir as ta pati ketinau rasyt

laukiu nesulaukiu atsako

ne metu ne 15 , ir ne 17 ,seip 18 jai kam labai jau rupi,....
taj turbut gawau nelabai kokybiska dnp milteleis, nes nelabai weikia

Paskutinį kartą taisė algiuxxxx15 (2009-08-12 13:44)

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nenormalus rašė:

ŠTANGISTAS rašė:

ir as ta pati ketinau rasyt

laukiu nesulaukiu atsako

ne metu ne 15 , ir ne 17 ,seip 18 jai kam labai jau rupi,....
taj turbut gawau nelabai kokybiska dnp milteleis, nes nelabai weikia

amzius rupi, kad nesusivarytum sveikatos
dnp patariu pamirsti, nes yra ir kitu prepu ne tokiu pavojingu..ne zaislas cia

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algiuxxxx15 rašė:

nenormalus rašė:

laukiu nesulaukiu atsako

ne metu ne 15 , ir ne 17 ,seip 18 jai kam labai jau rupi,....
taj turbut gawau nelabai kokybiska dnp milteleis, nes nelabai weikia

18 ?!!!
nu tai tikrai KARDINALIAI viska keicia nei butum 17

=DDD

Sportakas rašė:

gal zinot londone normalu dyleri kuris turetu sito aprato , lempiniu atsakymu ir seip ne y tema nesmaoniu nerasykit vaikai

Rimtas Naujokas

skaiciau ir taip ir nesupratau. sitas daiktas taukus degina TIK sukeldamas kuno temperatura ar dar kaip nors?

nu kad ten daug tu nesuprantamu man zodziu greitidnamas medziagu apykaita, tai cia ji pagreiteja nuo pakilusios temp ar kaip?

keldamas kuno temperatura iki belenkiek degina riebala, o pagalvojat kas atsitinka su baltymu prie tokios temperaturos?? kiausinio baltymas prie kokios temperaturos pradeda kept berots nuo 40 laipsniu.. tai va organizme baltymai pradeda keistis ir prie tiek pat laipsniu...cia pamastymui..

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siaip jei is tikro meti 0.5kg per diena tai tikrai verta. kur kankintis kutinant pora menesiu o kur pora savaiciu.

net as pro pirstus ziurintis y sterus bei kaikuriuos narkotikus sito velnio gyvenime nekalciau:D

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mano bulkos dar adatos isvis nemaciusios, bet sis geris sudomino.

paminklas toks tiks?

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nu utiutiu ka jus cia isvedinejat... sakau, kad sudomino, o ne kad einu nusipirksiu. labai mazai info apie sita daikta randu.

nesinervuok info matyt mazai del to kad nelabai kas rizikuoja tokiais  preparatais

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skaiciau ir taip ir nesupratau. sitas daiktas taukus degina TIK sukeldamas kuno temperatura ar dar kaip nors?

Dabar nenoriu labai smarkiai primeluoti, bet jis kazkaip blokuoja ATP lasteliu gebejima imti energija(cia labai netiksliai parasiau) ir privercia organizma imti energija skaidant riebala, siaip yra dahuja straipsniu apie ji pats domejausi bet nusprendziau kad nevariantas. Ir kaip tu i ji reaguosi labai labai individualu

ninja edit be edit: Wiki :
In living cells, DNP acts as a proton ionophore, an agent that can shuttle protons (hydrogen ions) across biological membranes. It defeats the proton gradient across mitochondria and chloroplast membranes, collapsing the proton motive force that the cell uses to produce most of its ATP chemical energy. Instead of producing ATP, the energy of the proton gradient is lost as heat.

DNP is often used in biochemistry research to help explore the bioenergetics of chemiosmotic and other membrane transport processes

o cia dar : http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=199885

Čia geras (turbūt) straipsnis jei vis gi nusprendėt vartot:



HOW TO NOT **** UP DNP:


Since some guys have been playing around and disrespecting DNP and then griping to the forums about the painful results, we need to make this VERY specific and VERY correct so that people won't keep jumping for DNP out of curiosity, or without the willpower they need to operate this respondibly. So here are my experienced guidelines to using it the RIGHT way.


FIRST GUIDLINE:
Dosing. Use ONLY 200mg a day for the first four days. I don't care that you don't "feel" anything yet and you wanna bump it up. DNP accumulates in the body, and not "feeling" something means NOTHING. It's there, and it's working (the effect on metabolism begins within two hours of the first dose!). Four days will let you test your tolerance: do you have an allergy? Does it give you a rash? etc.
Only after those four days do you bump it up, by 200mg a day. The average dose is 400-600/day, and more than that gets a little severe. A full gram is the highest dose I've heard anyone use. I've used that much, and it's hell. I like to stay around 600 a day, which is HOT but safe and effective. Take caps even hours apart through the day, ending about 4-5 PM.


SECOND GUIDLINE:
How to eat on DNP. This is purely personal experience, because some guys like to carb-deplete *before* using DNP (then eat carbs as usual while on), and other guys like a low-carb approach throughout. Both are fine. Using DNP is the only time that fructose is a desireable cutting carb, because it keeps the liver replentished. That reduces lethargy and spares muscle.
Be aware that eating high-carb foods WILL increase the heat sensation within an hour, and last about 2 hours. That means don't eat carbs before bed unless you want those night sweats to be even WORSE.
Personally, I ate whatever the hell I wanted! IHOP, chinese, fajitas...Yes, I burned hot, but I still lost 1.5 pounds every 2 days. Keep protein HIGH for muscles' sake, and try it yourself.


Foods I suggest including:
Blueberry yogurt. Blueberries are excellent antioxidants, and yogurt cultures help with digestive function, gas, and stool consistency (disgustingly soft stools are common during DNP).
Oregano-based foods. Oregano is perhaps one of the most potent antioxidants around,a nd one spoonful counts as a vegetable serving. See this article
Pineapple - I've found that pineapple helps alleviate those "DNP Blues". The fructose helps, and pineapple enzymes aid in protein digestion.
V8 - one 12-ounce can supplies six servings of veggies, concentrated as an excellent source of antioxidants, lycopene, and recovery of electrolytes.
Oatmeal - high-fiber foods are necessary. You'll find out why around, oh, day 5 or so. Trust me.


THIRD GUIDELINE:
Supplements and DNP. I suggest:
ECA - DNP is not a stimulant. To keep energy high and aid in fat loss, use an ECA. Some advisors suggest that regular ephedrine is preferable to norephedrine because of the more direct "hit" of energy.
Prohormones - perfectly fine on DNP. I used 1-AD just to help keep strength and muscle up, and it worked fine. No problems here. You won't GROW muscle on DNP, but it'll help with strength and protection.
Obvious stuff - multivitamin, ZMA, etc.
Biotest PowerDrive - No, I'm not pimping Biotest. But PowerDrive is an excellent pre-workout mixture that actually works. Plus it's low-carb (only 15 calories total), so it won't cause carb-heat in the middle of your workout.


Antioxidants - I'm giving my own personal list, and why I use them:
Alpha Lipoic Acid - aids in fat management and blood sugar, and an excellent antioxidant.
Grape seed extract
Syntrax Radox
Green Tea
Inositol - mood enhancement, antioxidant, and muscle support. 1 gram/3x day
Ellagic acid - protects cell DNA/RNA from damage by free radicals, and may even atack cancerous cells. 400mg/twice a day
Fruit antioxidants - beyond-a-century's powder of high-potency natural fruit anti's. 1 gram, 2-3x day.
Trimethylglyceine - antioxidant, helps move fat and blood lipids into the liver and out of the body. 500mg, 2x day.
Vitamins E and C


Supplements NOT to use:
Any medications that suppress energy. No allergy meds, antidepressants, muscle relaxers, or beta blockers. DNP will have you low as it is; don't worsen your body's energy by taking something that suppresses you further.


DRUGS - Sheesh, you'd think I wouldn't have to mention this, but two idiots in particular (right here on this forum) recently affirmed that some people still just don't get it. NO alcohol (not even "moderate"), NO ecstasy, NO GHB, etc. If you don't have the willpower to forego these habits, DNP is not for you.


Syntrax Swole - a personal discovery. I tried Swole while on DNP...once. Two hours of hell, feeling inside-out.


FOURTH GUIDELINE:
working out on DNP. Keep lifting short, 30-40 minutes. DNP works very well, causing your body to use 150% or more the calories per action you'd normally use. That means DON'T try to repeat your usual workouts. Drop to moderate weights, 8-12 reps, not to failure, and with plenty of walking rest between sets. You are NOT going to grow muscle on DNP, so don't use your usual heavy routine. Since DNP can cause light-headedness and heat dizzyness, you have my permission to skip squats in favor of leg presses this time.


Cardio is a controversial one. My advice - do NOT do cardio on high doses of DNP (600mg or more). It's dangerous and counterproductive. Below that amount, some cardio is fine, but keep it to 20 minutes and not at full-gallop. Remember, DNP will drain water from your quickly, causing you to leech out minerals, vitamins, and salts. Don't overdo it.


During exercise, consume at least 1 liter of water per 30 minutes of work, whether you're thirsty or not. DNP is evil in the way it blunts thirst, while at the same time doing the cruel trick of bloating your body with water WHILE dehydrating you from water in your organs. MAKE yourself drink. Always folllow DNP exercise with antioxidants, carbs, and this is a good time to use your multivitamin.


Don't feel embarrassed about poor workouts. Just this morjning I did a workout with a whopping nine sets (wimp!) before calling it quits. Listen to your body, and let it tell you when enough's enough; don't guage workouts by what you *usually* can do otherwise.


Here's my research. This is AMAZING! Not only has not a single test found it to be carcinogenic, but test after tyest after test find that DNP actually ATTACKS cancer cells, and helps anti-cancer medications work better, and helps anti-leukemia medications work without destroying cell DNA, and suppresses tumor growth by 20-50%. The summaries are all right here, friends. Karma me up!

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