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Namu darbams:
1 - kas yra pirminis ir antrinis  hyponadizmas?
2 - kas yra pirminio ir antrinio hyp. Atsiradimo priezastys?

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PROLAKTINAS

I will be talking about prolactin, what drugs/steroids affect prolactin levels, it's side effects, and how to control it. Okay as we all know, steroids like deca/NPP and tren are known to raise prolactin levels when ran with other steroids such as testosterone. These steroids: deca and tren, are from the 19-nor testosterone family and are recognized by the body as a progestin. Progestins have the ability to increase prolactin levels.

Now there are a few things other than nandrolone or trenbolone that can raise prolactin, I will briefly mention them here; Testosterone, now I don't want to freak people out. The possibility of prolactin problems from testosterone are VERY slim and unlikely I just wanted to mention it. Another is Peptides. Various growth hormone releasing peptides can increase prolactin levels such as GHRP-6, GHRP-2, Hexarelin, and a few others. Other drugs known to increase prolactin would be certain types of antidepressants. Also I don't want to get into details but thyroid hormone levels also play a role in regulating prolactin.

Symptoms of High Prolactin
- low libido
- anorgasmia (delayed ejaculation)
- erectile dysfunction
- puffy or sensitive nipples
- discharge from nipples
- fatigue/lethargy
- depression
- suppressed testosterone production

Prolactin also can cause prostate problems in men. But one of the biggest problems prolactin is responsible for is increased suppression of testosterone. High levels of prolactin cause LH and FSH levels to lower, making pct very difficult or even unsuccessful.

So in addition to running an AI like Arimidex or Aromasin to take care of estrogen, we must also run ancillaries to take care of prolactin. Our most common choices are Cabergoline, Bromocriptine, and Pramipexole. Typically Cabergoline is recommended since it is easy to dose and must only be taken once or 2x a week. I will give a brief introduction of each option and their dosing protocol.

Pramipexole Pramipexole also known as mirapex, is a dopamine agonist similar to Cabergoline. It raises dopamine levels which lowers prolactin levels. Pramipexole is actually more effective in terms of prolactin supression. Prami is also low cost. Prami has many benefits in addition to prolactin suppression. Prami has been shown to increase GH levels by up to 300% (in normal healthy men)for 2 hours after dosing. Prami is also safe to use long term. Unlike Caber which can cause Cardiac and noncardiac fibrotic reactions.

Dosing:
The most important thing to know about Prami is you NEED to SLOWLY increase your dose. As slow as possible means more gradual change and less side effects. If done correctly you can have a very small amount of side effects or none at all.
Starting dose is typically 0.25mg, but if possible try half of this dose. So first few days do 0.125mg, after that if you have little to no bad sides, increase to 0.25mg.
For prolactin supression, 0.25mg ed is usually plenty, but you can go all the way up to 0.5mg if necessary.
Another thing is Prami is usually taken right at night about 1 hour before bedtime. This is because it can cause lethargy, which isn't a problem while you are sleeping. To get the GH benefits, you need to dose higher in the 1-2 mg range.

Cabergoline Cabergoline also known as dostinex or caber, is another dopamine agonist. It has a very long half life, so it can be taken once or twice a week. Unfortunately Caber can be expensive, but if you have the funds or if you get a good deal on it than it's worth it. Caber is also known to have low side effects in MOST people. (note caber is not stable in liquid form)

Dosing:
For your average cycle including test and about 400mg of deca, 0.25mg two times per week is usually enough to keep prolactin under control. If that is not enough you can bump up to three times per week or even 0.5mg two times per week. You really have to find what works for you but start low and adjust if necessary.
Give caber about 2-3 weeks to kick in before deciding the dosage needs to be changed.

Bromocriptine Bromocriptine also known as Parlodel or Bromo, is another dopamine agonist. I have not personally used this myself, but I will say that Bromo is another viable option to help reduce prolactin.
Bromo is known to be a little harsh on side effects, but some people tolerate it well. It is a little harder to find, but if you do bromo is very affordable.

Dosing:
Bromo dosages range from 1.25 to 15mg. It has a short half life so must be taken 2 or 3x a day.
For prolactin control You can start at 2.5mg per day by splitting one 2.5mg tablet and taken twice a day. If that is not enough bump up to 2.5mg twice per day.

O jei FSH žemas, LH aukštas, o Test per vidurį?

LH levels depend on a person's age and stage of sexual development, and, in a woman, on the phase of her menstrual cycle. The urine test to determine whether a woman is ovulating detects only the presence (positive result) or absence (negative result) of LH.

Normal
Normal values vary widely among labs and methods used. Ask your doctor for normal values of your luteinizing hormone test.

Luteinizing hormone in blood
Men: 1–15 IU/L

Male children at puberty: 4–12 IU/L


Many conditions can change LH levels. Your doctor will discuss any significant abnormal results with you in relation to your symptoms and past health.

High values
High luteinizing hormone values in a man may mean:

Testicles are absent or have been removed.
Testicles are not functioning because of surgery or damage from mumps, X-ray exposure, chemotherapy, cancer, or injury.
Klinefelter syndrome.

Low values
Low luteinizing hormone values in a man or woman may mean:

Anorexia nervosa.
Pituitary gland failure.
Damage to a part of the brain called the hypothalamus.
Stress.
Low body weight.
Continue to Luteinizing Hormone--What Affects the Test

A follicle-stimulating hormone test measures the amount of follicle-stimulating hormone (FSH) in a blood sample. The test results depend on your age and stage of sexual development.


Normal
Normal values vary widely among labs and methods used.

Follicle-stimulating hormone (FSH)
Men: 1–8 IU/L

Children before puberty: 0.5–4 IU/L




Many conditions can change FSH levels. Your doctor will discuss any significant abnormal results with you in relation to your symptoms and past health.

High values
High FSH values in a man may mean:

Klinefelter syndrome.
Testicles are absent or not functioning properly.
Testicles have been damaged by a disease, such as alcohol dependence, or by treatments, such as X-rays or chemotherapy.
High values in children may mean that puberty is about to start.

Low values
Low FSH values may mean:

A woman is not producing eggs (prevents ovulation) or a man is not producing sperm.
An area of the brain (the hypothalamus or pituitary gland) is not functioning properly.
A tumor is present that interferes with the brain's ability to control FSH production.
Stress.
Starvation or being very underweight

Mini istraukele is vieno forumo nario experienc'o su DAA PCT metu.

Ok ladies results are in as promised!

I'll put up my previous blood test results first which was on 2nd February 2012 (02/02/2012):

Test 4.29 (6.1 - 27.1)
LH 4.9 (1.2 - 8.6)
FSH 4.2 (0.0 - 19.0)
Oestradiol 87 (73 - 275)

Newest blood results done on 17th March 2012 (17/03/2012):

Test 19.83 (6.1 - 27.1)
LH 5.0 (1.2 - 8.6)
Oestradiol 121 (73 - 275)

Ok so all these results are PRIOR to DAA use. Im basically up and running thanks to those blasts of hCG that everyone here was against.
My test levels are at an all time high (highest previously were 14.4 (6.1 - 27.1)).

kazkada teko girdet kad daa test pakelia kazkas ~40% , is tavo straipsnelio panasu kad ne bullshet`as . Siaip asmeniskai vienas smagesniu papildu pct metu kartu su cinku vit e ir t.t.

visad rasyavau kad daa pakelia PRL, nezinau kodel paskutiniu metu papilduose pradejo kalbet apie kylanti E2... ???  be to cia nerodo PRL tyrimuose.

lapesnape rašė:

Pas mane visa knyga yra pameginsiu paversti

kaip knyga vadinasi?

T Y R I M U S !!!!   Kada jus tai suprasit!?!

Kridas rašė:

Norejau pasitikslint arimidex doze kurso metu ar pakanka 0,5 mg EOD arimidex'o naudot prie metano (40mg/ ED), fenilo ir propo 100mg/ EOD. Speneliai nepajaureja, skaudet irgi neskauda, tiesiog siek tiek paputlejo.

Po 0.25mg banyk ir stebek

tada nenoriu buti kulturistas

eslife rašė:

Daryti kursa, kas 2-3 men. Bedos nematot, o jau pastoviai ant TRT but matot? Same Sh*t

Tabsas per diena.. stipru..