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Del drebijimo tai cia laikinas dalykas 1h-3h po tabl siektiek jauiasi. 2sav on 2sav off ir t.t arba meti ketotifena ir laikai pastoviai 6-8sav bet su ketu tampi siektiek jautresnis mcg. Siaip pradek nuo 80mcg ir didint palaipsniui iki 160mcg nedaugiau. Bet su tokia mityba kur slapenke su suriu valgai tai geriau nusipirk kiausu ar varskes bus daugiau  naudos

As tai nuo 40mcg pradedu nera manau reikalo iskart sokt ant 80mcg. Pasididinu iki 120mcg ir man uztenka.

Kuo skiriasi klenai šie??
• Klenbuterolis. Balkan Clenbuterol 100tab.0,04mg
• Klenbuterolis. Phoenix 100tab. 0,04mg

Niekuo, na nebent kaina:)

bei ar galima šitaip gerti 2sav geri ir tik 1sav pertrauka, ar jau butina daryti 2sav pertrauka? ir ar tikrai butina per pertraukos savaite gerti ketotifen? ir kaip gerti ketotifena ar jis tabletemis buna ar skystas?

Nesuprantu kas čia vyksta, ar taip turi būti ar jau čia kažkas negerai? naudojant clenbuterol hydrochloride 40 mcg per 2 sav sugebėjau priaugti 5kg, šiaip turėjau numesti ,o ne priaugti, viską tinkamai darau, sportuoju, bėgioju, didinų sporto krūvį, derinu maistą, geriu po 2 tab clenbuterolio, iki tol kol nepradėjau gerti cleno, man svoris stovėjo vietoje, labai sunkiai, lėtai krito, o dabar staiga priaugau, net išsigandau

stopudovai bus metanke

zetas rašė:

Ranku drebulys buvo ?

Buvo ir smarkiai galva skaudėdavo, bei mušdavo prakaitas, ypač per treniruotes, dabar darau 2 sav pertrauką

:Ddd
Maista susiderink, o ne tabletes ryk...

jurse rašė:

Esu labai nusivylusi clenu, nežinau kaip kitiems jis veikia, bet man jis visai neveikia, geriu ir sportuoju jau mėnesį, bet kaip 64-65kg, tai ir lieka 64-65kg, nors tu ką, nekrenta ,net gi buvo vienu momentu priaugus 5kg, kažkokia nesamonė, na dar bandysiu viena mėnesį pratęsti, jei ir po to nei 1kg nenumesiu, tai tada velniop tą cleną, tik sveikatą gadinuosi

kaip su mityba?
zinai kad clenui ciklus daryt reikia, o ne pastoviai varyt ji ?

Maistą suderinusi, darau pertraukas, geriu po 2tab ,daugiau nekeliu, nes man jau ir 2tab užtektinai ir taip žiauriai galvą skaudą ir dažnokai vydūriuoju, iš pradžių gėriau 2sav ir 2sav pertrauką dariau, taip buvo pirmas mėnuo, dabar nusprendžiau daryti 1sav geriu 1sav pertrauka. Daug vandens geriu po 3l į dieną, sportuoju ,didinu krūvį, nevalgau saldumynų, pagrinde eina daržovės, daržovių sriubos, liesa mėsa, kadaise tikrai svėriau labai daug, sugebėjau numesti per 3mėn 15kg, o dabar viskas sustojo, norisi numesti dar kokius 5kg, bet žiauriai nesiseka ,niekaip nekrenta

Blem chebra kai papaistot kiti tai  sako nuo cleno netik nenumeciau bet priaugau tai jus matot tablete uz kelis centus isidejei ir jau pizda bf 6
Blem chebra atsigaukit pagaliua. Nebeburkit jus ten kad nuo 1tabl ten kazkas  smarkiai kratosi ir pan. Jei sveri 50kg nebent gal ir taip. Jei iki cleno buvai normalus sveikas zmogus tai tikrai isgerus 1-2tabl nenumirsit ir neburkit pasaku...
Nezinau kaip cia dauguma varot clena bet man geriausias pries sale isgeri 10min ir viskas jau rengiantis visas slapias ir pan, pumpai nesvietiski

Aryan rašė:

Šiandien šnekėjausi su vienu daktaru apie clenbuterol, tai pasakė, kad pasenęs vaistas labai ir dabar naujesnis vaistas už cleną yra SALBUTAMOL. Tik įdomu ar poveikis sporte toks pat, geresnis, ar išvis neveiksmingas ? gal yra bandžiusių ? info apie šį vaistą nuorodoje :

http://www.vaistai.lt/receptinis-vaista … s-n30.html

Salbutamol yra Albuterolis.

Salbutamol is the same as Albuterol both have a considerably shorter half life......this was originally in Portuguese on Dats site.


Salbutamol Sulphate)
Molecular Weight (base): 576.70
Recommended Dose: 2-16mg/dia
Presentations: Ventolin tablet (2 mg / 4 mg): R $ 05.02

Salbutamol is a ?2-adrenergic selective agonist administered via inhalation or orally.It has duration of action of approximately 3-4 hours (1). As noted, its action time is short which makes necessary the administration of fractional doses during the day.The advantage of a shorter MV are: 1) smaller desensitization of ?-adrenergic receptors (as desensitization is closely linked to the connection time by receptor-agonist) (2), 2) empirically, it can be observed results faster (think of the relation x testosterone propionate testosterone cypionate and remember with what you see results faster, not better), 3) greater anabolic capacity, which will be discussed below, 4) and better control of side effects between them a lower toxicity to the heart.

Like all ?-receptor agonist, salbutamol acts by activating adenylate cyclase and, after a sequence of reactions by stimulating the activity of hormone sensitive lipase, which promotes the degradation of triglycerides into free fatty acids and glycerol (2), providing substrate for ?-oxidation (metabolic pathway that oxidizes the fatty acid into acetyl-CoA) (2). Furthermore it is also a thermogenic compound (increases the rate of basal metabolism) and anorectic (appetite decreases) (3) which makes it a "fat burner" very efficient. Its effect on fat burning is shown (5).


Changes in energy expenditure, lipid oxidation and carbohydrate oxidation during adrenergic stimulation in obese ² B (triangle) and lean (square)

Some studies show that salbutamol has a capacity and anabolic ergogenic (improved performance) established in humans (6) (7) (8) (11) (12) (13) (15) (16). In a study comparing the anabolic effects of salmeterol clenbuterol x (MV longer), the compound of shorter MV was better (9). Therefore, we think that a compound of shorter acting (salbutamol) will provide even better results. Many users actually report muscle gains and strength in the first few weeks of using this compound. Besides the anti-catabolic effect that this compound exhibits, it also stimulates the rate of muscle protein synthesis (2). One study showed that administration of salbutamol at therapeutic doses, caused better gains in muscle strength than in a group receiving placebo (7). The ?-agonists also have the ability to decrease the secretion of Interleukin-6, a cytokine, by adipose cells and mast cells (10). Salbutamol, unlike clenbuterol (blocking), stimulates the sodium ion channels in myocytes (14), and this may be an explanation of the difference between anabolic effects of these two compounds. I say this because in spite of an anabolic agent clenbuterol is more effective in animals (17), the same was not true in humans.

Salbutamol is also capable of improving the resistance in athletes (7) as changed plasma concentration of potassium lactate and without negative effects on the respiratory frequency, VO2 max, heart rate and plasma levels of glycerol and fatty acids (7).

Another beneficial effect of albuterol is its ability to alter the lipid profile for improved by increasing the rate of lowering HDL and LDL and total cholesterol (18)."Alterations Significant (P <or = .02) Were Observed in total cholesterol ([TC] -9.1% + / - 2.5%), low-density lipoprotein cholesterol ([LDL-C] - 15.0% + / - 2.9%) , and high-density lipoprotein cholesterol ([HDL-C] +10.4% + / - 3.2%) concentrations, as well as the TC / HDL-C (-17.4% + / - 2.6%) and LDL-C/HDL- C (-22.9% + / - 2.4%) ratios. "

Its side effects are similar to any ?2-adrenergic agonist, and very similar to clenbuterol. Increased blood pressure, heart rate, insomnia, tremors and sweating are the most talked about (7). It is also able to decrease levels of the amino acid taurine in the circulation and the heart (19). The depletion of such compound is related to the occurrence of muscle cramps. Cardiac lesions, as reported in animals with clenbuterol, were never observed with salbutamol. I believe this happens due to the shorter of MV compound. In fact, do not believe in the cardiac toxicity of clenbuterol, since the animals have more ?2 receptors as humans. All these effects are easily controlled due to the short MV compound (even after accumulate). Taking the necessary precautions, salbutamol is a very safe drug.

The administration of albuterol should be fractionated during the day (owing to short MV) being recomenadada the last dose at least 4-5 hours before bedtime.Recommend inciar with low doses of 2-4 mg / day taken in one single fraction, as well as clenbuterol, gradually increasing doses in accordance with side effects. From 6 mg / day should be fractionated doses in 2-3 applications per day and the dose studied is 16 mg / day (15). Users have reported use of up to 24 mg / day. If the goal is improvement of performance or anabolism, increasing doses can occur more quickly. The dosage ranges from 4-16 mg / day according to the studies to that end (7) (15). The duration of the treatment varies according to the user. Its ability to cause receptor desensitization is less than that observed with clenbuterol, and you can find reports of users who used it for 6-10 weeks without observing a drop in effectiveness.I recommend that the use occurs until feeling the effects (including the side), being recommended to stop after the stimulating effects cease.

Benadryl and Ketotifen proved able to restore the adrenergic response to their agonists (4), however, its use with salbutamol, due to short MV, only have value if you use the drug for prolonged periods at doses much large.